was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 19:56...shovel ready projects? who's paving upper lonberger and removing the rocks ? for years this section was ignored and only ridden. occasionally someone would cut a tree back that had fallen. someone is paving paradise..putting up a highway...once they are done with upper lon..what's next?
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any details or pics available on this development? one of my favorite bits of trail, due to the dichotomy of the trail from upper to lower. and always a welcome bit of earning the last flowing downhill to end a ride.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 20:27is it a matter of people adding rocks to bridge what's there or are people excavating rocks in the trail?
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 21:10I heard there were sticks and leaves on the trail *gasp*.....Chuck Norris once broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 22:00Jeff wrote: is it a matter of people adding rocks to bridge what's there or are people excavating rocks in the trail?
Whoever is doing it is filling in all the gaps between the rocks, making it really smooth and too easy to ride. But they've been taking rocks out of the trail and not from the side of the trail, so there are big holes were the rocks were taken from. They are doing more work...rode it yesterday and today, and almost every rock garden is much easier now.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 22:05Jeff wrote: is it a matter of people adding rocks to bridge what's there or are people excavating rocks in the trail? they are excavating rocks out of trail, leaving holes, some more than 6 inches deep, we may now have puddles forming erosion, then they are using rocks to build up smooth lines through the standard sections we've all known and enjoyed for years. The intersection with Kettle has had rocks moved and they have built a flat smooth rock path.
the holes may become a real problem with water in the future....
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 22:07upper lon has handled rain and snow on it's own for years. you could always ride it and never have to worry about erosion or mud...with the rocks being pulled, we may have puddles of mud
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 22:15Quite frequently, I've seen trail runners on Longberger. Who knows, maybe they removed the rocks to make it easier to run on it??
It's a multi-use trail. There may be others who don't like the way we do "trail maintenance" (i.e. they want to leave it el natural....or make it look like a fire road in this case), just like we aren't liking the way they are doing their version of "trail maintenance". It's a subjective concept.
Please note that I'm not trying to be obtuse here. Am I missing something here??
Post edited by: herrhaus, at: 2009/09/23 22:16Chuck Norris once broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/23 22:44i'm not a civil engineer, but i believe creating holes for water to sit in will forever change the landscape of the trail. you can build up something without removing the rocks that are on the trail and have been embedded there for longer than i've been around. then if someone doesn't like what you've built, it can be removed. You can't re-fill he the holes with the rocks that were removed.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/24 00:01I haven't physically seen what your talking about. Are we talking huge holes (let's say bigger than a 1.5') or softball to football sized holes?? If the latter, then I'd say that they will eventually silt in or simply erode out and more than likely expose other rocks.
Either way, I'm not sure what can be done to stop it from happening (this movement of the rocks by individual(s)).
Are you proposing some type of corrective action such as filling the holes?Chuck Norris once broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/24 05:48If it is continually happening, maybe a small "winger-wagging in a disapproving manner" sigh could tell the person that folks are noticing.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/24 05:49If it is continually happening, maybe a small "winger-wagging in a disapproving manner" sigh could tell the person that folks are noticing.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/24 08:35When I'm out there again, I'll keep a sharp eye out.Chuck Norris once broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.
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Re:was upper lonberger one of the ... - 2009/09/24 11:58see, this is why i should never have left. i'd gladly spend a day or so out there waiting with aemon to see what's up.
i personally like the idea of going out with a brightly colored chalk or paint (easily removed paint) and painting a message on the rocks. these people are like to take notice of their handiwork, leave them a message. something like "put the rocks back", "leave the rocks be", "stop moving rocks", etc.
or there's the paintball gun idea. no one here seems to like it but me.
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FRANK: I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this. Is there a course of action that you'd recommend? Obviously ambushing unsuspecting rock movers isn't really appropriate....besides that may lead to a bloody scalp on the part of the "ambush-ee".
Post edited by: herrhaus, at: 2009/09/24 12:40Chuck Norris once broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.
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