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Yoda Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/24 20:30 There are two new falls about 3/4's of the way up Sand Spring. Plus Charcoal Flats has a few that have been there a while too. I might take the saw for a walk some day next week.
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kevinb Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/25 08:47 that trail seems to be a magnet for deadfall, dont understand it
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Yoda Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/25 10:20 The strange thing is that the trees were rooted on opposite sides of the trail from one another. They have fallen within a couple of yards of each other across the trail.
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frank Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/25 12:08 The soil on that slope sucks, ie: its too sandy to support trees of any size, or so it seems. IF only we had a soil scientist on the board to post some non-sense.
All of this leads to my winter project: re-routing the whole trail. My idea is to connect the bottom of Bald Knob trail with the high side of the old fence line and then find all the old charcoal flats to make a long twisty climb that will hold up. It will also be possible to access the re route from Clemons.
Anyone interested in helping scout this?
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Raymo853 Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/25 13:50 frank wrote:
IF only we had a soil scientist on the board to post some non-sense.

It is a combo of soils, topographic position and the tree canopy. Tersely, the soils are "thin" as not very deep and with lots of rock fragments. The depth to bedrock is probably pretty great, on the orders of tens of meters, but in that 10's of meters are the remnants of rock glaciers. Not glaciers as ice, but rock glaciers which I won't describe here. Basically it means the soils are young, thin and chocked full of rocks that retard good root development and lowers overall water capacity of the soils. That slope is also an erosional surface, leading to the soils being less developed. Thin and poorly developed soils do not grow healthy trees unless the trees are designed with that in mind. Since the natural tree patterns are all fucked up, the trees there are not too well placed.

I also suspect the falls occur a lot since the tree canopy is pretty open. A less dense canopy leads to higher ground and near ground winds speeds leading to more tree fall. It is a nasty feedback cycle. Similar to the feedback cycle Frank goes through when his Viagra prescription runs out.

Why did two trees near each other fall over at the same time? Did they hit each other? Did they share some common root areas? I doubt vibrations of a minor increase in local winds had much to do with it.

Post edited by: Raymo853, at: 2006/10/25 13:56
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kevinb Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/25 13:54 i think the trail just doesnt want us on itself
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Eric Nord Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/26 09:28 I could be into doing some scouting. I don't hike enough.
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Yoda Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/28 00:14 That sounds cool, I'd be up for some scouting also. I was planning on doing some grouse hunting through that area in the near future. Usually the recently logged areas hold some good bird populations. Bird hunting, as you know, is truely "The Sport Of Kings" as history would have it. Sorry Pontzer!
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frank Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/28 10:52 WHat needs to be done is to figure out the general position of all the Charcoal flats. These can be on either side of Sand spring and Clemons. I have found a few of them, and I am sure there are more. THe hope is that there are enough flats to make them the turning points as the trail traverses the contours.
IF you can print out one of raymo's Shingletown maps and make some notes, that would be great.
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Yoda Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/28 12:50 I could also plot all of the flats that I find with my GPS and print out maps using Topo Mapsource software.
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frank Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/28 17:17 ANd that would be even better!
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Demon of the Fall Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/28 20:56 Bird hunting is great and I guess that can be considered a "Sport of Kings" along with raquetball. I need to get into grouse hunting. I love deer hunting but it seems like grouse hunting would have more action and thrills. Maybe this year.
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bradc Re:Sand Spring deadfalls - 2006/10/29 12:57 hunting?
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